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	<title>Comments on: Paradox of thrift</title>
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		<title>By: Lilian Calles Barger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lilian Calles Barger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 02:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree and share your concerns. I said nothing about the U.S. government subsidizing our industries to have an advantage in the world markets. There are things that we as a people can provide the world that is neither junk or abusive. The world needs equipment for clean drinking water, simple medical devices, and communication systems. This is a not zero sum game where we have to win at the expense of others. It can be win-win. It just takes imagination at the grass roots level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree and share your concerns. I said nothing about the U.S. government subsidizing our industries to have an advantage in the world markets. There are things that we as a people can provide the world that is neither junk or abusive. The world needs equipment for clean drinking water, simple medical devices, and communication systems. This is a not zero sum game where we have to win at the expense of others. It can be win-win. It just takes imagination at the grass roots level.</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carolyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 23:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While not many these days would disagree with the need to temper consumerism, especially that driven by debt, the notion that the U.S.A will be saved by increasing productivity and producing goods that other countries might want to consume is horrifying. I&#039;m not from the United States and can see the lengths the United States currently goes to to ensure other nations consume their goods, e.g. subsidised grain production and subsidised oil which means an African can buy American grown grain cheaper than grain grown by his/her own neighbour. The way the United States (and the European Union) throw their weight around at international trade talks is blatently unjust. While they may secure markets for their products producers in the Two Thirds world incresingly get squeezed out. (A good illustration of this is seen in the movie &#039;Black Gold&#039; - about the coffee trade.) Americans cannot seek to keep their jobs at the expense of the world&#039;s poor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While not many these days would disagree with the need to temper consumerism, especially that driven by debt, the notion that the U.S.A will be saved by increasing productivity and producing goods that other countries might want to consume is horrifying. I&#8217;m not from the United States and can see the lengths the United States currently goes to to ensure other nations consume their goods, e.g. subsidised grain production and subsidised oil which means an African can buy American grown grain cheaper than grain grown by his/her own neighbour. The way the United States (and the European Union) throw their weight around at international trade talks is blatently unjust. While they may secure markets for their products producers in the Two Thirds world incresingly get squeezed out. (A good illustration of this is seen in the movie &#8216;Black Gold&#8217; &#8211; about the coffee trade.) Americans cannot seek to keep their jobs at the expense of the world&#8217;s poor.</p>
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		<title>By: Luanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 13:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dorothy Sayers put it this way:
&quot;A society in which consumption has to be artificially stimulated in order to keep production going is a society founded on trash and waste, and such a society is a house built on sand.&quot;
So much of what people buy is unnecessary, as was discussed in the report. As Americans, many of us are accustomed to buying anything we want, whenever we want it. It would be best if the recession lasted long enough for us to be forced into a fundamental shift in values, so that we stop making all of our life&#039;s decisions based on money. Think about it. Why do young people go to college? How do people decide whether to have children and how many to have? Why do individuals and families leave their roots and move across the country?
I&#039;ll never forget what a friend of mine said when he returned from his first trip to rural Europe. He noticed how small the houses were, how people had no space for accumulating possessions, how they worked hard but fewer hours than Americans. He said, &quot;It&#039;s like they&#039;re living for something else besides money.&quot;
I would love to see that happen here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dorothy Sayers put it this way:<br />
&#8220;A society in which consumption has to be artificially stimulated in order to keep production going is a society founded on trash and waste, and such a society is a house built on sand.&#8221;<br />
So much of what people buy is unnecessary, as was discussed in the report. As Americans, many of us are accustomed to buying anything we want, whenever we want it. It would be best if the recession lasted long enough for us to be forced into a fundamental shift in values, so that we stop making all of our life&#8217;s decisions based on money. Think about it. Why do young people go to college? How do people decide whether to have children and how many to have? Why do individuals and families leave their roots and move across the country?<br />
I&#8217;ll never forget what a friend of mine said when he returned from his first trip to rural Europe. He noticed how small the houses were, how people had no space for accumulating possessions, how they worked hard but fewer hours than Americans. He said, &#8220;It&#8217;s like they&#8217;re living for something else besides money.&#8221;<br />
I would love to see that happen here.</p>
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