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		<title>Comment on What is marriage for anyway? by Lance Patterson</title>
		<link>http://lilianbarger.com/blog/2008-02-08T22:40:19Z/comment-page-1#comment-92145</link>
		<dc:creator>Lance Patterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jun 2010 15:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would suggest reading an article from the website religion online by Dr. Stanley Hauerwas titled &quot;Sex and Politics: Bertrand Russell and Human Sexuality.&quot; Although written in 1978, his essay still carries much relevance. The premise of his essay was that to understand the purpose of sexuality and marriage requires a political and deterministic view of life.  For example, how the early church changed the view of marriage as an economic necessity to one of vocation, in which singleness becomes a viable option.  This doctrine during the ancient church was radical and almost inconceivable.  Hauerwas criticizes correctly how modern understandings of relationships and marriage focuses way to much on interpersonal qualities, which on their own are not able to maintain a health relationship.  He refers to this interpersonal criteria through the following expression which I quote him at length:
 
&quot;Once the political function of marriage is understood to be central for the meaning and institution of marriage, we have a better idea of what kinds of people we ought to be to deal with marriage. Most of the literature that attempts to instruct us about getting along in marriage fails to face up to a fact so clearly true that I have dared to call it Hauerwas’s Law: You always marry the wrong person. It is as important to note, of course, as Herbert Richardson pointed out to me, that the reverse of the law is also true: namely, that you also always marry the right person. The point of the law is to suggest the inadequacy of the current assumption that the success or failure of a marriage can be determined by marrying the &quot;right person.&quot; Even if you have married the &quot;right person,&quot; there is no guarantee that he or she will remain such, for people have a disturbing tendency to change. Indeed, it seems that many so-called &quot;happy marriages&quot; are such because of the partners’ efforts to preserve &quot;love&quot; by preventing either from changing.

This law is meant not only to challenge current romantic assumptions but to point out that marriage is a more basic reality than the interpersonal relations which may or may not characterize a particular marriage. Indeed, the demand that those in a marriage love one another requires that marriage have a basis other than the love itself. For it is only on such a basis that we can have any idea of how we should love.&quot;

Perhaps in answering the question what is marriage for should prompt us to examine marriage/relationships holistically and not just on emotive and interpersonal criteria alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would suggest reading an article from the website religion online by Dr. Stanley Hauerwas titled &#8220;Sex and Politics: Bertrand Russell and Human Sexuality.&#8221; Although written in 1978, his essay still carries much relevance. The premise of his essay was that to understand the purpose of sexuality and marriage requires a political and deterministic view of life.  For example, how the early church changed the view of marriage as an economic necessity to one of vocation, in which singleness becomes a viable option.  This doctrine during the ancient church was radical and almost inconceivable.  Hauerwas criticizes correctly how modern understandings of relationships and marriage focuses way to much on interpersonal qualities, which on their own are not able to maintain a health relationship.  He refers to this interpersonal criteria through the following expression which I quote him at length:</p>
<p>&#8220;Once the political function of marriage is understood to be central for the meaning and institution of marriage, we have a better idea of what kinds of people we ought to be to deal with marriage. Most of the literature that attempts to instruct us about getting along in marriage fails to face up to a fact so clearly true that I have dared to call it Hauerwas’s Law: You always marry the wrong person. It is as important to note, of course, as Herbert Richardson pointed out to me, that the reverse of the law is also true: namely, that you also always marry the right person. The point of the law is to suggest the inadequacy of the current assumption that the success or failure of a marriage can be determined by marrying the &#8220;right person.&#8221; Even if you have married the &#8220;right person,&#8221; there is no guarantee that he or she will remain such, for people have a disturbing tendency to change. Indeed, it seems that many so-called &#8220;happy marriages&#8221; are such because of the partners’ efforts to preserve &#8220;love&#8221; by preventing either from changing.</p>
<p>This law is meant not only to challenge current romantic assumptions but to point out that marriage is a more basic reality than the interpersonal relations which may or may not characterize a particular marriage. Indeed, the demand that those in a marriage love one another requires that marriage have a basis other than the love itself. For it is only on such a basis that we can have any idea of how we should love.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps in answering the question what is marriage for should prompt us to examine marriage/relationships holistically and not just on emotive and interpersonal criteria alone.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Feminism vs motherhood? by Lance Patterson</title>
		<link>http://lilianbarger.com/blog/2009-08-27T18:48:17Z/comment-page-1#comment-92144</link>
		<dc:creator>Lance Patterson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jun 2010 14:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far a prominent women composers in music, there is Clara Schumann, an accomplished pianist and composer, she is also the wife of Robert Schumann, a noted composer, however he suffered later from psychological disorders and insanity.  His wife became friends with the notable Johannes Brahms.  You are right to say that are a minority in women composers, however, musicology has begun to pay attention to works of Clara Schumann, but other women composers, some from both the Medieval and Romantic periods of music.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far a prominent women composers in music, there is Clara Schumann, an accomplished pianist and composer, she is also the wife of Robert Schumann, a noted composer, however he suffered later from psychological disorders and insanity.  His wife became friends with the notable Johannes Brahms.  You are right to say that are a minority in women composers, however, musicology has begun to pay attention to works of Clara Schumann, but other women composers, some from both the Medieval and Romantic periods of music.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Redeeming motherhood by Internet Banking</title>
		<link>http://lilianbarger.com/blog/2007-05-13T19:19:40Z/comment-page-1#comment-92140</link>
		<dc:creator>Internet Banking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 07:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Markus  I get your drift on where you were going there.  I often think of my past and use it as a means to analyze where I am and where I want to get to.  Where I struggel is balancing it all out.  How do you guys balance things out?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Markus  I get your drift on where you were going there.  I often think of my past and use it as a means to analyze where I am and where I want to get to.  Where I struggel is balancing it all out.  How do you guys balance things out?</p>
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		<title>Comment on The american devil by Ryan</title>
		<link>http://lilianbarger.com/blog/2009-07-02T20:18:23Z/comment-page-1#comment-92139</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 00:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, I&#039;m reading Eve&#039;s Revenge, along with a handful of other books by women, about women, and for women.  My sister lives in Carlos Paz, Argentina with her husband and daughter.  I too lived in Argentina for about 9 months in Buenos Aires.  I know what you mean about Walmart.  I was shocked, but convicted about some assumptions I had.  What I considered to be universally beneficial from the US many times is not Christian or biblical at all.  It&#039;s beautiful how despite much of the brokenness in Argentina, there are still customs and structures that can promote shalom.  I&#039;m not an expert, but I appreciate your thoughts and wanted to say how much I&#039;m challenged and sharpened by your life, theology, and intellect.  Thanks-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I&#8217;m reading Eve&#8217;s Revenge, along with a handful of other books by women, about women, and for women.  My sister lives in Carlos Paz, Argentina with her husband and daughter.  I too lived in Argentina for about 9 months in Buenos Aires.  I know what you mean about Walmart.  I was shocked, but convicted about some assumptions I had.  What I considered to be universally beneficial from the US many times is not Christian or biblical at all.  It&#8217;s beautiful how despite much of the brokenness in Argentina, there are still customs and structures that can promote shalom.  I&#8217;m not an expert, but I appreciate your thoughts and wanted to say how much I&#8217;m challenged and sharpened by your life, theology, and intellect.  Thanks-</p>
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		<title>Comment on Defining freedom for women by Around the Blogs &#171; Christ, My Righteousness</title>
		<link>http://lilianbarger.com/blog/2009-09-05T19:31:24Z/comment-page-1#comment-92129</link>
		<dc:creator>Around the Blogs &#171; Christ, My Righteousness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 08:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Defining freedom for women [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on The myth of progress by Celucien Joseph</title>
		<link>http://lilianbarger.com/blog/2009-05-04T08:09:30Z/comment-page-1#comment-92127</link>
		<dc:creator>Celucien Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 04:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also heard good reports about Eagleton&#039;s latest work. I need to get a copy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also heard good reports about Eagleton&#8217;s latest work. I need to get a copy.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Missing women by Celucien Joseph</title>
		<link>http://lilianbarger.com/blog/2009-08-19T16:27:05Z/comment-page-1#comment-92126</link>
		<dc:creator>Celucien Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 04:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the link.
Lou</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the link.<br />
Lou</p>
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		<title>Comment on Forward to the past by celucien joseph</title>
		<link>http://lilianbarger.com/blog/2009-04-17T18:32:29Z/comment-page-1#comment-92114</link>
		<dc:creator>celucien joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 18:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No more more mega-church?
Are you sure?
:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No more more mega-church?<br />
Are you sure?<br />
:)</p>
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		<title>Comment on What I am up to by jleader</title>
		<link>http://lilianbarger.com/blog/2009-04-08T20:50:15Z/comment-page-1#comment-92111</link>
		<dc:creator>jleader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 00:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So proud of you and so excited to see what you will come up with.
your friend and fellow collaborator in Christ,
Jennifer

ps: have you read Crouch&#039;s Culture Making yet?  any thoughts?

pps: are you familiar with the blog Church of the Masses?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So proud of you and so excited to see what you will come up with.<br />
your friend and fellow collaborator in Christ,<br />
Jennifer</p>
<p>ps: have you read Crouch&#8217;s Culture Making yet?  any thoughts?</p>
<p>pps: are you familiar with the blog Church of the Masses?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Paradox of thrift by Lilian Calles Barger</title>
		<link>http://lilianbarger.com/blog/2009-02-02T19:23:16Z/comment-page-1#comment-92106</link>
		<dc:creator>Lilian Calles Barger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 02:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree and share your concerns. I said nothing about the U.S. government subsidizing our industries to have an advantage in the world markets. There are things that we as a people can provide the world that is neither junk or abusive. The world needs equipment for clean drinking water, simple medical devices, and communication systems. This is a not zero sum game where we have to win at the expense of others. It can be win-win. It just takes imagination at the grass roots level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree and share your concerns. I said nothing about the U.S. government subsidizing our industries to have an advantage in the world markets. There are things that we as a people can provide the world that is neither junk or abusive. The world needs equipment for clean drinking water, simple medical devices, and communication systems. This is a not zero sum game where we have to win at the expense of others. It can be win-win. It just takes imagination at the grass roots level.</p>
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